"happening now starts right now. >> jon: "happening now" begins with this fox news alert, a horrific story unfolding in the netherlands, brand new video of a soccer stadium collapse in a dutch city, at least 12 injured, one dead, and an unknown number of people still trapped. rick folbaum is on it from the breaking news desk. >> reporter: rescue workers are on the scene trying to reach those people still trapped in the rubble of this soccer stadium. part of the stadium's roof collapsed and while it was being constructed upon they were doing off season construction work. thankfully no gale underway or this place would have been packed with athletes and fans and as you can see from some of the pictures we've gotten the roof came crashing down on to the seats, where the spectators would have been had they been there for a soccer match. those trapped are believed to be construction workers who were there doing this work, it happened in the city about 100 miles or so from amsterdam. we're told that the work on

this stadium was to expand it, to make it bigger. we've also gotten some pictures into the newsroom from the associated press and from twitter, showing the scene or the ground there, and you can see at least one person who was injured being taken away on a stretcher, again, people are still trapped, even at this hour, and the rescue operation is going on. more as we get it, but for now, back to you guys. jon: rick folbaum, thank you and good morning to you on this thursday, i'm jon scott. and we welcome a familiar face to "happening now". alisyn: thank you, great to see you, great to work with you today, i'm alisyn camarota in for jenna lee, we're here in the fox news room for "happening now". casey anthony is not a free woman yet, the one-time accused child killer could walk out of jail two months from now, this comes after casey not a -- got a not

guilty verdict and today she just learned her sentence on the lesser charges of lying to investigators. >> i sentence you to one year in the orange county jail, imposing a $1000 fine on each count, all four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served. >> file keating is live in orlando. has the court issued, phil, a specific timeline yet for when casey anthony does get out of jail -- get her get out of the jail card? >> the court has yet to do that. judge belvin perry did mention maybe in an hour or so he and the attorneys could come up with the right formula and factor in time served, but based on my math

outside of the courthouse, i'm projecting that february february 2012, so seven months from now, that is when casey anthony could finally walk free. here's how i come up with that. she was sentenced to those four years in jail for those four counts of lying to the cops. that's to be served consecutively, meaning not just one year, all together, that's four years. she's been locked up since october 14, 2008. add the four years to that, she gets released october 2012, but she's already served two years and ten months in jail, so you reduce that four years from that, plus seven months of good behavior, that's where we get seven months from now. that's february and that's a lot better for kassy anthony than what she was facing prior to that stunning verdict, two days ago, where she could have been sent to death row. >> the search for her went on from july through

december, over several months, trying to find caylee march lee ann knee. >> that was an answer to an argument by the defense team, they were thinking that the four lies, one lie about zany the nanny, one lie about working at universal studios, another lie about these fictitious friends, jeff hopkins and juliet lewis, and a fourth lie, where she was first detained by the cops or questioned by the cops about missing caylee marie, she said well, za inform y the nanny kidnapped her and actually she let me talk to her on the phone the other night, that stud lie number four, the defense wanted all of these lies to be factored in as one big lie, the judge disagreed, jon. >> and the state also wants money from casey anthony when this is all over, right?

>> hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars is my estimate is what could be levied against casey anthony, not only the cost for the six-month investigation, the searching, the following up of leaders, the interviewing, the trying to track down all of these imaginary people, plus the prosecution which has been quite costly over the past 2 1/2 to three years as they had to pay for a lot of lab tests, a lot of investigators, so the judge is going to rule on that financial burden that casey anthony is likely to be levied in about 30 days from now, and for the moment, though, bottom line, casey anthony is heading back to the orange county jail. jon: a lot of people thought the saga could effectively end today. it goes on. phil keating, from orlando, thanks. alisyn: fox news is america's election headquarters, congresswoman michelle bachmann is stepping up her campaign for

president, releasing a new television ad in iowa today, the minnesota congresswoman using the ad to highlight her iowa roots. iowa holds the first contest in the presidential campaign, making it a very important state for the candidates. chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in washington. sounds like, carl, the air war is on. >> it is. michelle bachmann becomes the second candidate to have an ad on television and in this case, what she's really doing is trying to keep a significant amount of momentum going since she announced a couple of weeks ago. she's on the cover of the weekly standard, national review magazine, she's leading the polls, tied for first place in iowa, solidly established as second place in new hampshire, and she's now become the second candidate on the air with a tv ad. we can show you two seconds of it here, it's basically herself talking to the camera on her announcement tour out in iowa, a couple of weeks ago. it was shot while she was out there launching her candidacy and it talks about her bio and family, then it talks about her politleical beliefs.

listen to this: >> i know that we can't keep spending money that we don't have. that's why i fought against the wasteful bailout, against the stimulus. i will not vote to increase the debt ceiling. >> reporter: bachmann is number two on the air, pawlenty is the on other candidate running ads and he's way back in the polls, bachmann is the only candidate has not disclosed how much money she raised in the second quarter but it's also true she just raised money in the last few weeks. alisyn: and so carl, is the thinking that michelle bachmann is mostly stealing the thunder from tim palent gle. >> absolutely. pawlenty has to do well in iowa. it was for a time believed it was his must-win state because he's a minnesotan as is bachmann, he the former governor of minnesota, she a congresswoman from it and now there's a problem with ben webber, the man you see on the screen there, he is the national campaign chairman for tim pawlenty

and yesterday as the pawlenty campaign was downplaying its expectations suggest thank bachmann would be, quote, hard to beat, those were the words of ben webber, he went on to explain she has a number of advantages, she has home town paul because she was born in iowa, ideological appeal because she's a tea party favorite and chair of the tea party caulk nous the house and she has sex appeal and for that it took mr. webber a short couple of hours before he apologized for it and said it was inappropriate. tim pawlenty also said he thought the comments were inappropriate in assessing whether or not somebody should be president. there's been no comment from michelle bachmann's campaign jon: right now the effort to stop sophisticated cyber terrorists from getting access to the country's classified secrets, take a look at a house hearing on the growing threat imposed by hackers who are increasing their attacks on defense contractors and government labs. national correspondent catherine herridge live in

washington now, this cyber threat, it's real. how serious, though, is it catherine? >> >> reporter: good morning jon and thank you. in recent congressional testimony the former cia director leanne panetta told lawmakers the next pearl harbor will likely be a cyber attack, the difference is u.s. government systems are being probed routinely, in some cases, thousands of times every day, and the primary culprit is china. >> we as a nation have already been attacked during my opening statement, thousands of times. attacks go on every day. and because one doesn't appear to be as large as pearl harbor doesn't change the fact that sooner or later, america will have to respond in a more aggressive fashion to some and be better prepared defensively for others. >> reporter: advanced per system threats are seen with a greater frequency, they are often state sponsored an an effort to breach a government computer systems

and operate under the radar to continue stealing valuable information. jon: who's getting targeted the most? >> reporter: it's not just government computer systems that are vulnerable but the obama administration said critical infrastructure is the target because the loss of an letting grid or communication network would undermine public confidence and in some cases create panic. >> adversaries are stealing sensitive information and intellectual property from both government and private sector networks, compromising our competitive economic advantage and jeopardizing individual privacy. more disturbing, we also know that our adversaries are capable of targeting elements of our infrastructure to disrupt, dismantle or destroy the systems we depend on every day. >> reporter: what they call the 1-2 punch with cyber taking a traditional style attack with an explosive device and car bomb and coupling that with a cyber attack, so on the one front you have first responders going to that

initial explosion, while at the same time you're having a service attack, so they're talking in the future about this 1-2 punch or a combination of cyber with the traditional form of attack, jon. jon: something to keep an eye on. that's clear. catherine herridge, thank you. >> you're welcome. alisyn: jon, we're talking about this story today. there's been a gruesome scene in yellowstone national park. >> some other hikers on the trail heard the woman's cries for help, and they called 911, which sul on dollars the rangers. alisyn: a woman helpless as her husband is mauled to death by a mother grizzly bear, rangers now searching for the anmillion and rick folbaum has details for us. jon: a big meeting about a big problem at the white house, it's underway right now, the debt crisis and efforts to come to some kind of agreement before the government goes into default. will the president and congress at leaders be able to make tough decisions? also which side comes out the winner in karl rove is here, he'll be along to

weigh in in just a few minutes. alisyn: here on "happening now", you get to pick which story you most want to see. rick is at the dot com wall with today's choices. >> reporter: this is where the viewers get to decide what we report. you can go to the home page for "happening now" at foxnews.com, here are the stories you can choose from. we like all of them, which one do you like best? the annual running of the bulls, always a fun story out of spain, a couple people injured, one guy broke his nose. we'll have more on that if you decide. also rescuers are trying to keep about 150 elephants where they are. why is that so important? we'll explain, if you decide you want to hear about that. or how about the guy that stole the picasso? wow, that's quite a heist. you can choose that story as well. weigh in and we'll have the results and the story later on and we'll have more of "happening now" right after a quick break.

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alert, we have more details on that gruesome attack from yellowstone national park where a man was mauled to death. rick foal bawn has the details. >> reporter: you hate to hear about this, officials at yellowstone national park are searching for the bear who was involved in that deadly attack. trails around the site of the mauling, right in the middle of the park, are closed while they conduct the search. this is just file video of grizzly bears, not the bears involved here, but the attack came as a man and his wife were hiking in the back country area of the park, a 57-year-old man and his wife and apparently, they unintentionally surprised a mama grizzly and her cubs, the bear charged the couple, and the woman's husband told her to run, and when the bear caught up with her, she apparently played dead, so the bear lifted her up off the ground by her backpack and dropped her and then took off, and she had some scrapes and bruises but she was okay, enough to call 911 on her cell phone and other hikers came to her aid.

this happened near the canyon village portion of yellowstone, it's right in the heart of the national park, and this was the first deadly grizzly bear attack inside the park since 1986. but it's the third deadly attack by grizzlies in the region this year. grizzlies have grown in population and they are spreading behind the park's boundaries and coming up later on we'll talk with an expert about how to survive a bear attack if you find yourself in that unlikely scenario. that's coming up a little bit later on on "happening now" but for now, back to you guys. alisyn: thanks rick. jon: well, the debt crisis, there is a high stakes meeting underway right now to try to reach some kind of a deal. it comes as the u.s. government moves ever closer to defaulting on its obligations. president obama is hosting congressional, democratic and republican leaders at the white house right now. but will both sides make any

concessions on some of the tough issues, like entitlements, taxes? let's talk about it with fox news contributor karl rove, he is a former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and he knows well how these things go. karl, you write that when president obama charged in his news conference that congressional leaders need to do their job, that the argument rings a little hollow. can you explain that? >> well, look, it was the president who started the year by saying let's have a clean debt ceiling vote, that is to say, give me the authority to spend more money, but without any offsets in spending and any tough constraints on my spending. he's the guy that doesn't have a budget. his budget was defeated nine # -- 97-zero in the senate and said it was withdrawn. he's the guy who has yet to offer a plan. there's no public plan for the president president. we've got hints about what he said behind the scenes but the president himself,

the administration has quet to lay out a plan. republicans in the house not only laid out a plan for decifit reduction but they voted on it and passed it through the house, so for the president to be lecturing the congress that it's time for you to solve this problem, mr. president, it's the problem you brought about by asking for an increase in the debt ceiling last year and you have yet to address it in a concrete fashion. jon: well, the suggestion from the white house is that essentially republicans are, you know, holding up the train here, but you say that democrats don't exactly -- are not exactly enthusiastic about his tax increase plans, either. >> yeah, look, let's divide this up. he has apparently behind the scenes, they have offered up a trillion dollars worth of completely phony savings, they've said look, let's just assume that we were going to keep afghanistan and iraq at the current levels of military spending and let's assume that we don't do that for the next decade, so we save ourselves magically a trillion dollars by assuming that we're not going to keep them at the current levels. well, no one seems we're going to keep them at the

current levels, so that supposed trillion dollars of savings is completely phony, as is the half a trillion dollars in interest savings that would come about as a result of this. the iraq and afghan war spending is not built into the baseline of the budget, the $45.9 trillion worth of spending that the government is now forecast over the next decade, we're not building into that baseline afghanistan and iraq at the current levels, so the president has phony savings like that but the tax increases he keeps talking about, some of them, the public ones, are ridiculous. six times during his news conference, he talked about a $3 billion tax -- >> jon: uh-oh we lost our feed from karl there, he is based in austin, texas these days and for whatever reason, maybe we didn't pay the satellite bills, but -- >> alisyn: probably it. jon: we lost our feed to karl rove. at any rate, if you want to read more about what karl thinks about the debt and decifit battle, log on to foxnews.com/opinion. he's got a piece for you

there. and of course you can get all of the day's top stories and breaking news, 24/7, right there, fox news.com. alisyn: we're going to be talking about that very thing with senator john barrasso coming up, too. it's not the end of the topic. jon: also senator tom carper of delaware is scheduled to join us so we'll get the democratic view as well. alisyn: we'll be covering that all morning. meanwhile it was sentencing day for casey anthony, high drama inside and outside the courtroom as the one-time accused child killer learns whether she could get out of jail soon. an in depth look at her sentence. >> and police storm a -- storm a kindergarten after a 6-hour hostage drama. what happened to the kids? we're live with the story.

alisyn: fallout after the

judge sentences casey anthony to four years for lying to investigators, the only charges that she was convicted of at her murder trial. casey will get credit for time served, meaning she could go free soon because she's already spent nearly three years behind bars and will also get credit for good behavior, the judge imposing the sentence after rejecting the defense's claim that the four lie counts should be compressed into one, citing double jeopardy. joining us, fred teasy, and dug burns, former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney. gentlemen, thank you for being here. >> sure. >> thank you for having me. alisyn: she got four years. but i want to talk about the judge's demeanor when he was talking about. fred, let me start with you. the judge seemed almost low key. i've seen judges send a much more powerful message from the bench, give the defendant a tongue lashing and say something like you caused a nationwide search, you caused heart break throughout this country. that's why i'm sentencing you to four years. why was he so lackluster today? >> well, because i think

what she did was so much worse than the sentence he could have given her, i think the judge exercising discretion didn't hear the things you want to say and i got to tell you, the citizens of the state of florida should be thankful they have a guy like judge perry on this bench. he was a phenomenal judge throughout this case, he's a great, great guy a. tremendous civil servant and the country should look at him and say we're lucky to have a judge like that. alisyn: that's a good perception. i think that he obviously was fair but doug, do you think he should have sent some more powerful message about the seriousness of lying to investigators? >> he definitely could have, you're right, but what i think you might find interesting is that it's so easy to then kind of slip up and refer to the homicide aspect of the case an that's where he could have gotten into legal trouble on appeal so in other words, if he was viewed as taking into account -- as you're allowed to do by the way in federal court, that's another seminar, forget that, but apparently under florida law you can't take into account let's say the case was proved by a preponderance of

the evidence, not a reasonable doubt, i'm going to take that into account in sentencing you, you wanted to be very careful not to do that. alisyn: fred, because she lied to anniversary, there were hundreds of thousands of dollars spent, countless man-hours spent, looking for caylee. how will the judge ever put a dollar price on that, and how will casey ever pay that back? >> well, they'll put a dollar figure on it because law enforcement will come and say look, based upon our estimates, this is what we spent in unauthorized overtime, to investigate and to look into this stuff, then i'll tell you, somebody will hound her to the end of the earth to take every dime that they can that she gets from making money from what happened here. so if she goes forward and gets book deals or shows up on inside edition, if i'm the prosecutor i'm standing right outside and i'm going after her for every dime. alisyn: that's very interesting. doug, can the judge put some sort of restriction in place where she never gets a dime of any profit for this crime

and she has to turn it over? >> that is an excellent question, and i'd frame the issue this way, in other words, most of these statutes, son of sam laws, i'll call them, say if you are convicted of a homicide, you can't be prevented under the first amendment from writing a book or appearing on a show, but you can be prevented from getting any of the money, so now the question becomes well, wait a minute, she was convicted of a crime in connection with the same nucleus of facts here, does that prohibit her. i don't know the answer to that, but to answer your question, i don't think the judge could block her but i'm not 100 percent on that. alisyn: fred, can she be sued civilly by anyone that she is defamed, whether it's her brother or anybody else? >> you know what, anybody with $135 alisyn can file a lawsuit so the answer is yes. the question is can they win and collect money. so i hope they can. i hope justice on some level gets dispensed in this case by people going after her and taking away money from

her and quite frankly if the american public wants to try and punish her, they ought to banish her to obscurity, but in the meantime if there's an arguable claim to be made like what doug was talking about, if there was a son of sam law, i've heard experts say it doesn't apply, to heck with it, i'd try anyway. alisyn: fred, dug, thank you for coming in and giving us your expertise on this. >> thank you for having me. jon: also in florida, space shuttle atlantis. will it blast off into the history books tomorrow? scheduled to be the shuttle program's final flight, scheduled for tomorrow morning in florida. the question is, will the weather cooperate? we're waiting for a nasa briefing to begin. also, growing calls to limit uncle sam's future spending -- spending. how likely is it that this congress can pass some kind of a balanced budget amendment especially if the idea touches social security and medicare? we'll get into that.

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jon: jon scott here in our acquisitions center at fox news channel where we bring in the satellite feeds from all over the country, all over the world. remote number 285, that's the county jail in orlando. casey anthony had hoped to be walking out of that place today, she will not be. there will be a conference to find out exactly when she does get out, but the judge sentenced her to four consecutive years in jail. she's already served three. on remote 224 that's nasa tv

taking a look at the international space station there right now. the last shuttle flight ever scheduled to go up less than 24 hours from now, but will it fly? we'll find out in a briefing. and on remote 291, there it is, the u.s. debt clock. our national debt continues to rise. it's going to bump up against, well, a ceiling pretty quickly unless congress and the president come to some kind of an agreement. there's a meeting underway at the white house right now to try to get that done. we'll update you as to what happens. alisyn: all right. as jon just told us, at this hour there is a crucial meeting between president obama and congressional leaders, and with the threat of the u.s. defaulting on loans, some lawmakers think it's time for a balanced budget amendment. and that would put limits on uncle sam's future spending. a recent fox news poll shows that a majority of americans support a balanced budget amendment, but only under certain circumstances. you can look at how the number in support changes.

if that means the amendment requires major spending cuts to benefits like medicare and social security. let's bring in elizabeth macdonald of the fox business network. liz, great to see you. >> hi, allison. alisyn: what would it take for an amendment like this to pass? >> well, it would take two-thirds of the congress to, basically, pass this. and it would take three-quarters of the state legislatures to ratify any amendment to the constitution. but, you know, as you noted, there is growing support, allison, in the senate for a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. senators olympia snowe and jim demint penning an editorial for "the wall street journal" saying, basically, any limits on the congress right now amount to speed bumps. we these this powerful check and balance to stop the check writing going on in the government. all 47 gop senators, they say, now support a balanced budget amendment. you know, germany has one, all the states have a balanced budget on their books except

vice vermont, and so, you know, it's an interesting push that we're seeing from the gop in the senate for a balanced budget amendment. alisyn: yeah. it sounds like the american public like it in theory until it touches one of their personal entitlements, basically. >> yeah, that's right. alisyn: just out of curiosity, how many times has our government balanced the budget? >> well, the government has all been in debt. it's only not been in debt under one time limited under andrew jackson. and it has, basically, had an annual budget that was in the black just about five times over the last five decades. and, you know, both sides of the aisle, though, allison, have supported a balanced budget amendment. you know, going back to jimmy carter, remember jerry brown, the liberal who ran against carter for the presidency, was for a balanced budget. it almost passed in 1997, but it failed by just one vote in congress. back to you. alisyn: it's hard not to be for a balanced budget, but, of

course, doing it is a different story. >> yeah, that's right. alisyn: liz macdonald, great to talk to you. thank you. jon: nasa is scheduled right now to provide an update on the final launch in the u.s. space shuttle program. we are waiting to hear whether the space agency says the weather situation will allow atlantis to lift off tomorrow. an estimated one million people are going to be disappointed if it doesn't. they're already down there on hand to watch the launch, and they are saddened to see america's space shuttle program come to an end. >> you know, turns like that, that's the part i like. it's the last one. history. >> it's going to be kind of sad because the world changes every day. it's changing up there too. jon: let's talk about the end of an era with walter cunningham, former apollo 7 astronaut. you think it's a huge mistake that we are giving up on the shuttle program. why? >> well, i think it's a real shame that here we have the

greatest flying machine that's ever been built, and i will also have to add the safest manned spacecraft that we've ever built, and without anything really in the wings for half a dozen years or so, it's a shame we're giving up on it. jon: why -- you say that nasa has been, essentially, sliding downhill, essentially, throughout the shuttle program. what do you mean by that? >> well, when i say sliding downhill, starting back actually in the days of president richard nixon they began cutting back on the money. space is never going to be cheap. and right now they don't have enough money to develop whatever they've got planned for the future. and it's very tough to argue against that when we're loaded with deficit spending and all of that. so nasa is not in for any kind of a good period coming ahead. jon: how ironic is it that, you know, it was the race to the moon against the soviets back in the '60s, and we won that

race, obviously, with the apollo program. and now the soviet, the russians, are the only ones who are going to have a space vehicle, a manned space program? >> yeah, it's really a shame because with the apollo program we demonstrated our preeminence in space, our preeminence in technology, and that fed the economic engine of this country for, i don't know, 20 or 30 years. and now we're just kind of moving aside and, yes, it'll benefit the russians greatly. but not exclusively. the chinese are coming along reasonably well too. it's just that we don't work with the chinese. their program is a military program, and we can only work with civilian space agencies. jon: you spoke about the expension, and i'm sure you -- expense, and i'm sure you hear the complaints from folks left and right at a time when budgets are tight, what do we get out of the space program? is. >> well, the spin-offs are too numerous to even begin to list. but anyone that's dealt with modern medicine can realize some

of the benefits there right down to heart pumps and heart replacements and any number of those. it's not an area that i spend a lot of time talking about because they're really so obvious to so many people. but what the real thing that we're losing is we're losing our stature in the world, the admiration of other countries of the world, and that's going to go on until we have, you know, a president that champions something going forward. jon: apollo 7 astronautwaller cunningham, thanks for being with us today. alisyn: we have some breaking news for you, we have just learned when casey anthony will be released from jail. phil keating is standing by live with that. phil, what do we know? >> reporter: well, the announcement by the court is that casey anthony will leave jail next week, july 13th, the year 2011. the judge tallying up the time she has served, says casey

anthony's been behind bars for 1,043. tack on or subtract that from the four-year sentence he just imposed earlier this morning in the 9:00 hour for four years for those four guilty counts of lying to investigators. we did not expect it was going to be this soon here based on the math we were doing. however, the judge is the judge, and he says july 13th casey anthony will be walking away. he also imposed a $4,600 fine that she's going to have to begin pay anything be $20 increments upon her release. that's for the $1,000 fine for the lying to the cops times four, plus court costs. there's also an additional hearing around august 25th for casey anthony. she'll have to return to court, at least her attorneys will, as the state tries to get her to pay back perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars for those months of looking for little caylee when even casey anthony now con cedes she was just

making all of that up. alisyn: hey, phil, i have a question. i know that you and many experts were trying to do some math on the fly this morning when you found out what her sentence would be, and people figured she was going to get out around february. why did the judge decide it's so soon, next week? >> reporter: not certain about how his mathematical formulation went. i was with a former miami judge, we came up with either january or february of next year. so either the judge is giving her more time for good behavior, and there was testimony proffered in the courtroom during the trial by all of the jail workers out there, all of the deputies and supervisors at the orange county jail five miles from be here that she has been a model inmate; always pleasant, never causing a problem over the past two years and ten months. casey anthony has been locked up since october 14, 2008, at the orange county jail. so all of the good time served as well as the good behavior, and judge perry giving her a

release date of july 13, 2011. that's next week. alisyn: incredible. that's certainly not going to make the protesters outside of the courthouse happy today. thank you so much for that breaking news update. meanwhile, there's two female lawmakers duking it out in front of a very shocked parliament. what sparred this angry dust-up? and a deadly bear attack in yellowstone national park during the busiest week of the summer season. a man is mauled to death, his wife barely escapes. the attacks come as the bear population is increasing around the country. would you know what to do if you encountered a bear? we have the answers next. thankfully, there's new crest pro-health

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alisyn: officials at yellowstone national park in wyoming are searching for a grizzly bear who mauled a man to death. the man told his wife to run. other hikers heard her cries for help, but by the time park

rangers arrived at the trail, it was too late. the woman says when the bear came after her, she played dead. so what is the right thing to do if you encounter any kind of bear in the wild? the let's ask dave, the animal planet's large predator expert. dave, great to see you. >> how are ya? alisyn: i'm well. and is you may remember, dave, from the last time you and i were together in person -- >> you are terrified. alisyn: i have a phobia about this. and i pester you all the time -- >> every time we see each other, we talk about your fear of bears. do you remember all the advise i've given you in the past? alisyn: no. do you run or do you play dead? is. >> never run from either of these animals. no matter how fast you are, a bear's faster. if it's just an encounter and you're starting to get nervous, you should begin to make yourself look big, let the bear know you're there, clap your hands, shout. as soon as you see signs of

aggression, that's when you're going to know the difference between a black bear and a grizzly bear. if animal looks like it's going to maul you, the grizzly bear you play dead, and the black bear you fight back. now, i've told you in the past the number one thing you've got to know is planning. when you're going into any wild space, you have to plan for this type of stuff. so you should not be in the yellowstone national park without bear bangers, without a bear belt. you have to know how to keep food sealed and locked away, and you have to know how to hang it from trees far away from your camp, and you really should read up on what do i do when i see a bear? what's the difference between a black and a grizzly bear? you are best suited to get yourself in a safe situation if you bump into a bear. alisyn: dave, you just said if you see a black bear, you're supposed to fight back. how do you do that? >> well, unfortunately, the reason there's a difference is grizzly bears usually attack to protect something, protecting their range, their food or, in this case, it sounds like the mother bear was protecting her

cubs. often times a black bear attacks as a predatory attack. they want to eat you. so in those cases submitting isn't going to help you. unfortunately, with a bear you should have a big stick, hopefully, you've got your pepper spray, you can use that. go for the eyes, get something in that bear's mouth because the claws will hurt you, but if you can block those teeth, you'll have a chance of surviving. alisyn: this is the third deadly attack in this one region in a year. is this happening more often? >> seems to be a lot more interactions between bears and people. we're sharing the same space, and it's causing friction. alisyn: you told me you would bring some of that pepper spray -- >> i am. next time i'm in new york, i promise. and pepper spray and bear bells. jon: remind me not to take you camping. alisyn: i consider a nice hotel camping. jon okay. no grizzly bears in the ritz. brand new video coming in be to

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alisyn: we have some breaking news. there's been a terrifying scene at a kindergarten in malaysia where there was a hostage crisis. we want to go to terry khan. what do we know? >> reporter: yes, good morning. a terrifying screen earlier today, i have some video. earlier today a man carrying a hammer and be a machete barged into a kindergarten and held a group of children hostage for six hours. he threatened to kill the children unless he was given a gun. eventually, police congressman toes shot the man in the head. he's now in critical condition and believed to be mentally unstable. there were 30 children inside the building ages 3-5 as well as

four teachers, and they were all unharmed. everybody inside the school is now safe. but listen to this. during the standoff the sound of children singing could be heard outside the school. it's believed they were singing to calm the man, and if it's true, it did, in fact, work. alisyn: oh, my gosh. thanks so much. jon: she disappeared without a trace more than 40 years ago. her family even burying what they thought were her remains. now there's word that. lou: cora hood is alive. >> reporter: jon, this is quite a story. lulu went missing originally back in 1970 when her family said she walked out of her home in illinois after some kind of argument. hood, who was 44 years old at the time, had 14 kids. her family said she had a history of mental illness and had disappeared before but had always come back home. this case went could for years

until 1996 when human remains were found in florida. police identified the remains as hood, and her family believed that she was dead. but in 2008 the family learned of advances in dna technology, and they requested that those remains be tested again. well, the results came back a few weeks ago and, guess what? those remains did not belong to ms. hood. her family thought that they were back to square one, but investigators took to the internet and they searched hood's first and last name, they used her birthday, and they came up with a match in florida. she's now 84 years old and rell tyes say that they can't -- relatives say they can't wait for the reunion that was more than 40 years in the making. quite a story for this hood family. jon: yeah. you don't get those happy endings very often. >> reporter: no, you don't, jon. jon: rick, thanks. alisyn: we've just learned that casey anthony will be free just six days from now. as public outrage grows, geraldo rivera is live in orr land toe

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alisyn: this is a fox news alert for you because we do have some breaking news at this hour. casey anthony, we've just learned, will be released from jail next week. hello again, everybody, i'm alisyn camarota in for jen from a lee. jon: and i'm jon scott. the judge imposing a sentence of one year for each of the four counts on which she was found guilty of lying to investigators. sending them on a wild goose chase for her missing daughter, caylee. casey will be released, it turns out, july 13th, getting credit for the almost three years she has already served plus time off

for good behavior. let's check in with he wassal lowery varian rah -- geraldo rivera. tell us about the reaction. >> reporter: six days, jon, and i think it's lucky it's not today. it would have been an ugly scene if she had wait with the the deputies -- waded with the deputies through the angry crowd outside this courthouse. they are reflecting the highly-negative sentiments directed against this 25-year-old woman who is widely believed to have killed her beloved toddler but was acquitted on those most serious murder trials by a jury of her peers. now what happens to casey anthony is the next question that will provoke the american public, where she goes, what she does. will she make money off this crime? those are all questions, jon, that people want to know. it seems to me highly unlikely that casey will immediately seek to be a highly visible person in

the public or sign any big deals. if she does, they would soon be confiscated by the various lawsuits, certainly "zanny" the nanny's lawsuit and others that are sure to pop up will go after whatever book, tv or movie rights she obtains. what i believe will happen, jon, and i have no real evidence of this but just my familiarity with the case, she'll go someplace relatively low profile where she could be in the custody of some adult, wait until the, you know, the worst of the anger toward her subsides and then try to put together, you know, some blueprint for the rest of her life, jon. jon: yeah. so strange, i mean, she was living with her participants when all of this -- parents when all of this started, and the fractured relationships in that family have to be even deeper after everything that's gone on. her side accusing her father of molesting her, her brother the same thing.

>> reporter: there's no way on earth that casey anthony is going back to that house. she was part of that witch's brew, clearly. whatever happened to that child happened in that household or at least it began there. i don't think there's any way she's going back to hope spring drive. ironically-named street around the corner from the woods where the child was found not more than a half mile away. i think it's likely she'll be with dorothy simms, the female attorney on her team, or someone like that, you know? she has no income, she has no money. she is indigent. jose baez, the lead defense attorney saying exactly that in court today. so, you know, look for casey anthony if she stays here, how ironic. she went on some kind of public assistance that the taxpayers in this community where she was the most reviled person, clearly, far more so even than in the rest of orange county or central florida or this nation. she's not, she's not, i think,

likely to do something that would just aggravate these bitter feelings, jon. i think she'll go -- i suggested she go like a monastery, go to church, you know, contemplate what's gone down here, contemplate at least the lies that she told, you know? try to sort out what really happened. i wonder if this highly troubled young lady even knows truth from fiction anymore, jon. she's got to sort through all those things. but now we have six days at least, a kind of cooling-off period. many of the media gathered outside the orange county courthouse have told me that they intend remaining or at least coming back early next week, so i think you will get another crescendo of attention next week. maybe that shuttle launch on friday, hopefully, will go off. you know, i'd like to be there with shep, i've never seen one. but i think that that interruption in our attention to this case that has fascinated so many people in a highly negative

way will restart when she walks free and then, hopefully, again, i have no insight or information about this, but hopefully keeps a very, very low profile if for no other reason than good taste. jon: yeah. that attention has certainly blossomed with the verdict, and we have just learned "america live" will be talking with the anthony family attorney about one hour from now. 1 p.m. eastern time, during their program they'll be talking with the anthony family attorney. we may get some answers regard what the parents thought of the verdict and everything else that's gone on over the last few days. just coming up on "america live." alisyn: we'll look forward to that. meanwhile, we do have some breaking news from news corp., the parent company of fox news channel. fox's amy kellogg has the update from london. what do we know, amy? >> reporter: as many would say shocking news, james murdoch who is deputy coo and the chairman and ceo of international for

news corp., rupert murdoch's son, has just announced that the news of the world which is a very popular tabloid near the united kingdom, a sunday newspaper, is going to close down. this sunday we'll see the last edition of news of the world roll off the presses, and ask all of the profits will go to good causes. now, the reason for this, allison, and we've reported on this throughout the day, but there is an investigation, an inquiry going on here in the united kingdom into a phone-hacking scandal that centers on news of the world. now, news corporation had admitted, news of the world admitted that this had been going on, hacking into the phones of celebrities and others, but there was a twist in the last few days when allegations arose that news of the world hired a detective to hack the phone of a schoolgirl in 2002 who had been abducted and, ultimately, murdered. and, supposedly, the reporters there had wanted to be able to delete phone messages from that

voicemail in order to gather new leads. but it was something that shocked many here in the united kingdom on both sides of the aisle and has led to this inquiry. but in the meantime to sort of stave off the negative publicity and to take the step in what he believes to be a positive direction, james murdoch has announced that the news of the world which until very recently was the top-selling sunday newspaper here in the united kingdom will publish its last edition this sunday. alisyn: that is quite a development. amy kellogg, thanks for wigging that to us -- brings that to us. jon: right now at the white house congressional leaders are meeting with the president. our nation's financial future hangs in the balance. prior to the sit-down today it appeared a compromise could be in the works, each side starting to bend a little bit as the clock ticks down to a possible default. wendall goler live at the white house for us right now. wendall, the president has put social security on the table now? >> reporter: yes, jon. we're learning of this a day after sources revealed the president was pushing for a

bigger deficit reduction deal than thought originally, something up to $4 trillion instead of closer to $2 trillion. on the theory that since any deal is going to be painful, a bigger deal since it's a bigger achievement would be easier to sell. now, the talks between the president and democrat and republican leaders of the house and senate got underway here at the white house about an hour ago. no one said anything about what's being considered. but earlier mr. obama's spokesman said in a written statement, quote, the president has always said that while social security is not a major driver of the deficit, we do need to strengthen the program in a balanced way that preserves the promise of the program and doesn't slash benefits. now, progressive democrats who oppose cuts in social security or medicare warn that if seniors feel their benefits are at risk, they'll take it out on both parties, jon. jon: and there are signs that republicans are open to additional tax revenue? >> reporter: in fact, though, the question is what the revenue would be used for.

republicans say that they're comfortable with the idea of closing tax loopholes if additional revenue is used for, to offset tax cuts elsewhere in the tax code. now, the president had wanted to generate as much of a quarter of this deficit reduction from increased tax revenue. house speaker john boehner says tax changes are being discussed. >> we lee that comprehensive tax reform both on a corporate and personal side would make america more competitive, help create jobs in our country, and it's something that is under discussion. >> reporter: majority leader eric cantor says there's a -- pardon me -- a spirit of trying to get things done. we'll judge the results by how long the talks go today and when the next meeting is scheduled for, jon. jon: all right. wendall goler, we'll let you clear your throat. thank you. alisyn: rebel fighters in the libya celebrating a big victory. anti-government forces seizing two key mountain towns in

western libya putting them closer to cutting off a key supply route to the capital of tripoli. leland vittert is streaming live for us from misurata, libya. leland? >> reporter: as a matter of fact, when the gadhafi forces retreated after the rebels came into town, they left with such haste they left their mules behind, ammunition, fuel and some weapons. that is a key, key part of the equation here because with this civil war now stretching into almost its fourth month, supply lines are very short. the key part of this advance for the rebels is that they have now are within striking distance of one of those key gadhafi supply lines that heads into tripoli. there's a chance they'll be able to tighten the noose on gadhafi's forces, tripoli potentially cutting off not only fuel, but also food to that embattled city. meantime, there are a lot of rumors going around that there are talks gadhafi leaving. obviously, it is to gadhafi's

advantage to, of course, keep those rumors alive. mean meantime, keep some of the rebels confused and also, possibly, keep people in tripoli from rising up themselves. international help continues to flow in, though, for the rebels. a number of the weapons we are told that were used in that fight out there in western libya were actually brought in by the french. back to you. alisyn: thanks so much, leland vittert, for that update. jon our nation's financial future very much on the line. the question, though l lawmakers be able to put aside politics and come to a deal on the debt limit? we're going to be talking with senators from both sides of the aisle coming up. and as bad as negotiations on capitol hill might get, very little chance they would actually come to blows in east chamber of our -- in either chamber of our representative branch of government. another epic fight in parliament. we'll tell you where and what got these women all fired up. i couldn't concei this as a heart attack.

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alisyn: let's get back to the debt debate. president obama sitting down with leaders from both sides of the aisle to try to hammer out a deal to avoid possible default. two of the big sticking points, raising taxes versus cutting spending, of course. my next guest has signaled a willingness to consider closing tax loopholes if conditions are right. wyoming senator john barrasso serves as vice chair of the senate republican conference. hello, senator. >> hi, allison. thanks for having me. alisyn: pleasure. so the meeting between the president and these top congressional leaders got underway about an hour ago. is it your sense that they may strike a deal today? >> well, they'll start talking about those sorts of things. i'm still looking to hear the details. in the next hour, i'm going to be sitting down with mitch mcconnell as well as speaker boehner to see what the president is offering and what the mix is going to be. fundamentally, the people of this country are worried about jobs and getting back to work, and we need to make sure that we

are not spending too much. to me, that's the problem. it's not that we're taxed too late in this country, it's that washington spends too much. alisyn: yeah. it seems as though both sides were getting closer to each other. it was reported this week that president obama is open to making some sort of changes or cuts to entitlements, namely social security. are you encouraged? >> well, i am encouraged because we know the entitlements of social security as well as medicare are really the tidal waves that are coming at us financially. also we need to strengthen those programs not just for people that are currently on them, but for the future. so i'm encouraged to see the president at least willing to address the needed changes in social security as well as in medicare. alisyn: but, now, in exchange it sounded as though the president wanted revenue increases. some people call those tax hikes. are you open to making a deal like that? >> i want to see revenue being

increased through having a vibrant, robust economy, putting more of these 14 million people who are looking for jobs back to work than they're paying taxes, and that'll increase the revenue coming in. but all of these regulations coming out of washington are making it harder and more expensive for the private sector to create jobs, and we need to make it easier and cheaper for the private sector to create jobs. alisyn: so what about closing some tax loopholes as the president has talked about? be earlier today congressman eric cantor was on "fox & friends," let me play for you what he said in which he sounded open to that. listen. >> we don't like loopholes and preferences. it's not good foroff overall -- our overall economic growth. if he wants to plug that loophole, we've got to see offsetting tax cuts somewhere else because the priority is jobs. it's about getting people back to work, and we're not for raising taxes period. alisyn: are closing tax

loopholes a good place to start? >> well, they are if it's balanced with a lowering of overall tax rates. that's how you encourage job creation. even bill clinton has said the corporate tax rates in this country are making us as a nation uncompetitive. we need to be competitive globally. so if you lower tax rates and kind of cut out some of this underbrush and a number of these deductions that you talk, i think that would be a good start in getting more people back to work. alisyn: senator john barrasso, we shall see what comes out of this meeting today at the white house. thanks so much for joining us with your thoughts. >> thank you, allison. jon: and something to think about as this country tries to reel in its huge debt, how do we pay for two long wars and the new conflict now underway in the libya? in libya? just some of the questions joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen is answering right now. we are live from the pentagon. plus, you know the drill:

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alisyn: as afghanistan braces for a significant drawdown of american forces, the struggling democracy is apparently dealing with some growing pains in parliament. rick folbaum has more. what did we see? >> reporter: well, our lawmakers in washington may not agree very often, but at least they don't throw their shoes at each other. this was a fight that took place in the parliament in the afghanistan. here's the woman, you're going to see her stand up in a moment and throw her shoe. now, apparently, she was very upset. this all hood to do with talk

about impeaching the afghan president, hamid karzai, and it just kind of got ugly fast after that. she raised the shoe and then you can see the fighting just dose on and on -- goes on and on. somebody threw a water bottle. this fight gets a little bit nasty, but it's just, actually, the latest in a string of bad behavior by lawmakers around the globe. you want more? we've got more for you. let's take you now to taiwan, and this is a fight between pro and anti chinese government orters all about an economic agreement with the mainland. two lawmakers ending up in the hospital after this melee in taiwan. and do we have time for one more? eastern europe. this is last december, remember things getting ugly between lawmakers in the ukraine. the fighting put at least six lawmakers in the hospital with concussions, fractured jaw amid

causes of voter fraud. this as congressional leaders get ready to talk about the debt ceiling in washington, d.c., we hope everyone's on their best behavior. alisyn: it makes our congress look so civilized in comparison. so highbrow. thanks very much. jon: let's talk with one of those members of congress. we just spoke with republican senate john barrasso, let's hear from the democrats now. tom carper is a member of the senate finance committee. we are hearing that senator conrad is talking about the possibility of $4 trillion in deficit construction over the next ten years? do you know anything about how that is achieved? >> we may recall a year or so ago the president appointed deficit commission co-chaired by erskine bowles and by former senator alan simpson. 11 out of the 18 commission members recommended a path forward on deficit reduction that added up to roughly $4 trillion over ten years, roughly two-thirds of it on the spending side, a third on the revenue

side. they did not call for raising tax rates. they did call for broadening the tax base and eliminating a number of so-called tax expenditures. so it turns out we have about $15 trillion worth of tax expenditures, tax breaks and credits, all kinds of things, add up to about $15 trillion over the next ten years. and if we could find maybe 10% of those to reduce, we could have a deficit reduction deal that did 4, four and a half trillion dollars without raising the rates. jon: what about waste? it's my understanding you're an advocate of reducing waste in the federal budget. how much could you squeeze? >> a lot of people are fearful on the medicare and medicaid side. folks, democrats, republicans and independents are concerned about savaging medicare and medicaid. there's something that the general accountability office, gao tells us, there's something we call them improper payments, improper payments last year for medicare were $50 billion. the attorney general, eric

holder, tells us last year fraud in medicare was $60 billion. if we just cut those in half and do that over ten years, we'd be talking about deficit reduction in medicare alone of over $500 billion without reducing benefit but just going after some of the inefficient spending, wasteful spending. jon: we spoke last hour with karl rove who says that the president really needs to get out in the front and lead on this issue. in one of his opinion pieces, he said that this could be a nixon goes to china moment if the president would lead and come up with some big deficit reduction numbers here. do you see that happening? >> well, i'm encouraged that the president has decided to be around here the adult in the room. this could be a nixon goes to china, this could be clinton does welfare reform. i think the best jobs bill we could past that i could think of right now would be to pass a comprehensive, balanced deficit reduction plan, $4 trillion or more, mostly on the spending

side but some on the revenue side. i think that would send a strong signal to the business community and, frankly, the rest of the world that we're able to govern, reach across party lines to reach common sense solutions. we need that, and i think a lot of good would flow. rutherford w. hayes used to say god politic good policies. if we're able to come up with something fair, balanced and reasonable and stimulates financial growth. jon: so many people would welcome simplifying the tax code. >> part of the deficit commission's recommendation was to eliminate and reduce the very large tax expenditures that we have. that's part of what makes the code so complex. and there's i forget how many tens of thousands of pages in the code, but a lot of that relates to these tax expenditures, tax breaks, tax credits, some of which are good and we don't want to tamper with, some probably not as much value. and i think we can do some of that. broaden the base, keep the rates where they are, actually bring

them down a little bit especially on the corporate side and eliminate some of the tax expenditures that, frankly, don't amount to as much. jon: senator tom carper from delaware, thank you. >> thank you so much. take care. alisyn: a mexican criminal convicted of saagely abusing then killing a 16-year-old girl in texas is set to die tonight by lethal injection. but the obama administration and mexico are fighting to stop the clock and to keep him alive. and the death penalty is on the table for the army major charged in the deadly 2009 shootings at fort hood. he'll face justice in a military court. reaction from a texas state congressman straight ahead. or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. is actually finding choices the whole family will love. five flavors of chex are gluten-free,

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can. alisyn: just 16 years old when she was savagely, raped and beaten and murdered in 1994. her convicted murderer, a mexican citizen is scheduled for execution tonight in texas. mexico and the white house are stepping in seeking a last minute delay. kris gutierrez is live in dallas. why do they want to delay this execution? >> this hinges on a 1963 u.n. treaty allows foreign nationals and in foreign countries the counsels in the country for the legal advice. in this case lelal was not made of entitlement until he was already on texas death row. here's where things get trekry. in 2005 the legal court of

justice the legal body of the u.n. says the u.s. is bound by the treaty. in 2008, supreme court ruled that only congress can enforce states to abide by the treaty. congress last month introduced a bill supporting the treaty but there hasn't been enough time to vote on it. here is what the state department says. listen here. >> if we don't set a good example here, and after allow foreign governments to visit their citizens who are detained or arrested or ongoing, having legal difficulties, that we could face reciprocal denial of access for our consular officials. >> reporter: so the obama administration wants the supreme court to delay tonight's execution for at least six months to give congress time to consider that legislation that again, alisyn, was proposed just last month even though the supreme court made its initial ruling three years ago. alisyn. alisyn: chris is that the ultimate decisionmaker here, the supreme court, only body that can stop this

execution? >> reporter: to be honest with you the supreme court or texas governor rick perry. the governor's released a statement. i will read part of it. quote if you commit the most heinous of crimes in texas you can expect to face the ultimate penalty under our laws. as in this case where leal was convicted of raping and bludgeoning a 16-year-old girl to death. we should point out interest was similar case in 2008 where another mexican national was convicted and killing and raping two teenage girls in houston. in that case the supreme court did not stop the execution and neither did governor rick perry. alisyn: sounds like there is precedent here. kris gutierrez. thank you. jon: now that suspect. umberto legal faces execution after 6:00 p.m. eastern time unless the supreme court steps in. let's talk about it more with texas congressman michael mccall, chairman of the oversight and investigation sub kmit tee and also former texas depthty attorney general. you heard the obama white house saying this will

do irreparable harm to u.s. interests if this execution goes forward. should it? >> i think it should go forward. i think what the obama administration is trying to do is intervene and defy supreme court precedent and the state of texas in laws from the state of texas on this consular notification issue. remember, this is a cold-blooded killer that raped and brutally, grotesquely raped and murdered this 16-year-old. he deserves to be executed. but when you look at the law here, the counsular notification issue was waived. never timely asserted. under texas law, if it is waived it's waived. what the obama administration is trying to do is say that this international court of justice and the u.n. takes priority over the laws of the united states and our constitution. i totally disagree with this. jon: the attorney general, eric holder, says, if the u.s. goes forward with this

execution it could have adverse consequences for american citizens who might get arrested overseas. is that a valid argument? >> i don't think so. if they want to talk to our consular's office they have that right. mr. garcia had that right. mr. garcia did not assert the right. now at the 11th hour trying to throw up a straw man before the u.s. supreme court so he will not, the execution will not go forward. i think this is just a defense, criminal defense lawyer ploy at the last minute. it was waived. it was never timely asserted. frankly he confessed to this brutal killing prior to any arrest that was made. so consular notification wouldn't have any prejudicial effect to his case. simply wouldn't have made any difference in this case. jon: let me turn your attention to another texas case that has legal ramifications and where the death penalty is in play. i'm talking about the army

court-martial coming now against major nadal hassan, the suspect in the fort hood rampage. charged 1 counts of premeditated murder. 32 counts of attempted murder and the army says it is a death penalty court-martial coming up. do you agree with the prospects here? >> i do agree with that assessment. i commend the army for going forward finally almost after two years with a death penalty case. here is an individual who killed 13 of our soldiers on a military base. i went to the funeral ceremony. it was very, just very emotional. and an unborn child. if he doesn't deserve the death penalty, i don't know who does in this country. i think this will be treated as a criminal homicide prosecution. i'm looking forward to holding hearings after this prosecution to really get to the bottom of what was motivating mr. hasan. what were his contacts with

anwar awlaki, the terrorist in yemen. what was his connection to pakistan? there are so many unanswered questions about his overseas connections and what he was really doing and his radicalization during the process in which the military did nothing. and finally, the information the joint terrorism task force had about mr. al laak can i and communications with major hasan at fort hood. why wasn't it shared with general cohen at fort hood when it could have stopped the murder of 13 soldiers? jon: a lot of questions there. let's hope you get answers. congressman, thank you. >> i appreciate it. alisyn: here's what is happening now. joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen giving a briefing on the wars in iraq and afghanistan and the defense department budget as the military faces questions about the mounting cost of american involvement in the libyan conflict as well. national security correspondent jennifer

griffin live from the pentagon for us. jennifer, what did we learn from this briefing? >> reporter: alisyn, he didn't really speak about the libyan conflict for or the cost of it. discussion was with the pentagon press corps. it was on record but not on camera. the main headline that came out of it is a follow-onto a story we were focusing on yesterday which is, this is the first time we heard a high-level u.s. military commander talk on the record about the role that iran is playing right now in iraq in terms of killing u.s. troops. admiral mullen was extremely direct in blaming iran for renewing its support of shia groups and importing, he said they have the forensics to prove it, what are these, iran's, kind of, they're basically rockets that are propelled with gasoline tanks on the back of flatbed trucks. they're being imported from iran as well as something known as efps.

those are the really explosive, explosive devices blowing up the vehicles of u.s. troops in iraq. now as you know u.s. troops there are only 46,000 left there. all of them have to be out by the end of december. but this is the first time weave heard on the record a top military commander blaming iran directly and iran's leaders for knowing that they are now trying to essentially give the impression they are pushing u.s. forces out of iraq, knowing that they have to draw down by the end of the year, alisyn. alisyn: did he mention what to do about iran given this? >> reporter: he did not. that's what we were pressing him about because u.s. forces are in an awkward position where combat operations have technically ended there but we still have 46,000 troops on the ground. admiral mullen was very direct saying there is nothing stopping u.s. forces from carrying out defensive operations. but what you're really seeing you have training camps on the other side of

iran. you have weapons being funneled across the border, particularly into the south. and these are, these are rockets just back in february, we were reporting yesterday the british intercepted rockets going into afghanistan that were coming from iran. so you see iran is playing this outside role as admiral mullen calls it in iraq and also afghanistan, essentially preparing for the day after as u.s. troops begin to withdraw. they want to give the impression in the middle east that they are pushing the u.s. out of these two countries. alisyn: that's a troubling assessment. jennifer griffin. thank you. jon: for decades americans have tuned in watching sunday services at the crystal cathedral. now a big surprise. who might be in the market to buy that financially-strapped megachurch. doctors are warning patients to stay away from salt but a new study offers surprising

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>> coming up on "america live" we're going to get reaction from george and cindy anthony's attorney to the news that casey will be released next week. and what we're now learning about her plans after she gets out of jail. you got to hear this. and industry-bashing and class warfare. you hear why the jet industry and their workers are steaming mad right now at the white house and why they say that the president is committed to collapsing their industry. we'll talk about that. and also fears of so-called human bombs on airplanes. it is a frightening thought, but presidential candidate ron paul says that we need to fire the entire tsa. he will join us on "america live" with that coming up at the top of the hour. we'll see you then. alisyn: as you know we've

been told for years to watch our salt intake but now a new study is shaking things up. it finds eating less salt does lower blood pressure but does not reduce the risk of having heart disease. what is the takeaway from this study? here now is doctor ernest petty, senior attending physician of emergency medicine at new york's saint barnabas hospital. we heard that you have to reduce the salt intake to make you healthier. what do you make of this? >> look at a number of factors. decreasing salt intake definitely lowers high blood pressure and there is direct correlation with high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease. the problem with the numbers they crunch the data participants only decreased by a small amount. in the long run we consume too much salt. alisyn: the interesting thing, they basically crunched the data from seven studies together, out of the university of exiter.

6500 participants did reduce the salt intake only by moderate amount. though found out it didn't translate into better cardiovascular health. why that discorrect? >> we're not certain how much salt they had in the initial part of the, before they participated in the study. maybe only decreased the salt intake by 15 or 20%. most americans have doubled the amount of salt in their diet. i use americans because we're americans ourselves. if we decrease that by significant amount we might see significant results in the studies. alisyn: you brought in very large salt shake sneer that is very large salt shaker. alisyn: is better kind of assault? sea salt versus other kinds? >> no. basically what we should remember, 80 percent of the salt we consume is food we already eat. so you don't need to add anymore salt on your diet. there are salt shakers wherever we go. always offer as condiment. it was used many years as a preservetive of. the problem with salt our taste buds get used to it.

we crave it, we like it. we slowly have to decrease it. it will contribute to decreasing high blood pressure. 60% of the americans over age of 60 suffer from hypertension which leads to cardiovascular disease down the road. alisyn: should still work on concentrate on lowering salt sounds like? >> that is my advice. definitely cut it out of your diet. do not add extra salt to anything. alisyn: dr. petty thanks for coming in. >> appreciate you having me. jon: one of the architecturally megachurches in the u.s. bankrupt since october could be bought at a bargain price. even more interesting? one of the potential bidders. rick folbaum has that. rick? >> reporter: this is the massive critical cathedral. epitome of the megachurch. home to guard ren grove presbyterian church in orange county. construction was finished back in 1980. it cost $18 million. despite dwindling attendance, the church's founder, robert

schuler, the former host of the show, hour of power. continued with ambitious plan totaling $300 million into late 1980s. financial problems caught up october of last year when the church had to declare bankruptcy citing $50 million in debt. two bidders are emerging. one is chapman university, a nearby liberal arts college. the other is a catholic church. the orange county diocese has been planning to build a new facility to house its congregants for many years but hasn't gotten behind hiring an architect. the big question if the catholic church ends up buying the building would protestants and catholics worship there in the same building together? we'll have to wait and see what happens. that is the latest. back to you, jon. jon: rick folbaum. thank you. alisyn: are you guilty of multitasking whind behind the wheel? a new report is out about distracted drivers. some safety experts are asking states to wait before

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jon: "happening now", an interesting find in a new report on distracted driving. it turns out those laws that ban cell phone use behind the wheel? they might not be necessary or even effective. doug mckelway takes a look at that live from washington. >> reporter: this comprehensive study on distracted driving finds

there is no conclusive evidence that hands-free cell phone use while driving is any less risky than handheld cell phone use. commissioned by the nonprofit governors highway safety association and funded by state farm insurance. also found that no evidence cell phone or texting bans have reduced crashes even though there is strong evidence texting while drive something extremely dangerous. now the findings come after ten states impose bands on hand-held cell phone use while driving and 34 states imposed texting bans behind the wheel. despite the findings the governors highway safety association said bansz should not be lifted in any states where they presently exist. the 41 states that have no cell phone ban hold off on any new legislation. it revealed conflicting david. drivers are distracted any number of factors ranging from eating to talking to texting. perhaps as much as 50% of the time they spend behind

the wheel. but it found that drivers adapt by paying more attention to driving and less to distracts. when the road risk level increases. it also found that states should enforce existing distracted driving laws but consider such enforcement takes away from other traffic enforcement efforts. the study documents absolute proliferation of cell phone use and texting among american motorists. found 2/3 of all motorists reported using a cell phone while driving a third of them routinely. found 1/8 of all drivers reported texting while driving. so a lot of folks are doing it, jon. jon: that texting while you're driving, that doesn't seem like such a good idea. >> that is scary. >> reporter: it is very dangerous. the study definitely admits texting while driving elevates the risk of driving tremendously. jon: i believe that. doug mckelway in d.c., thank you. alisyn: a new report shows that obesity rates in 16 states have risen in the past year. the study by the robert wood johnson foundation also ranked the states with the

most obese residents. rick folbaum has the story. where are those, rick? >> i'll tell you in just a minute. you have to wait to find out until i get to the end of the story. alisyn: gotcha. >> the number of states showing increases in obesity rates slowed down but not a single state chalked up a decline in obesity rates. in fact the state today with the lowest obesity rate which is colorado. jon's home state. would have had the highest rate in of the 1995. so that gives you a sense of the direction of things. the director of the trust for america's health credits obesity epdem mick to the fact we're eating less nutritious food and more of it and gets less exercise. here is the list. the states with the largest obese populations mississippi at 34.4%. alabama, 33.2 percent. and west virgina with 32.2%. and two states with the least number of obese residents, connecticut and colorado, along with the district of columbia.

washington, d.c. back to you. alisyn: rick, thank you. you must feel very proud. jon: we're very healthy in colorado. you know all those outdoor activities, all the sunshine. get out in the rockies. it's a great place to be. alisyn: got it. jon: the votes are in. your must-see moment of the day. will it be, the art thief, the elephant trespassers, or braving the bulls? find out next.

>> reporter: what do you got? bill: the story that won, in india, this is right on the border of nepal, and there are the big guys and gals. here is the problem. they are making their way into villages and eating the crops of the local villagers, there, eating their food, drinking their water. that is not good, the people need those crops to sue jive. they